Johnny Thunders' 20-year career -
a chronological timeline of his life.
From the New York Dolls, to The Heartbreakers in NY and London. Then 'So Alone', 'Gang War', 'Que Sera Sera', 'Copy Cats', etc; reunions and gypsy times in Paris, Stockholm, London & L.A. Compiled from various sources including Nina Antonia's biography 'Johnny Thunders- In Cold Blood' and my own recollections working with Johnny 82-91.
Please add dates, correct mistakes and leave comments.
1990
January:
4th: Final £1,000 of the advance is sent to Johnny's sister Marianne.
17th: A gig at the English Acid club in Los Angeles. Johnny is staying with various friends in L.A. and running out of money again, he asks me to try and collect some from New Rose, ABC Records and Virgin Publishing.
24th: Johnny arrives on TWA at London's Heathrow, for a visit to his doctor.
26th: Johnny meets with Luca, an Italian who's intrigued by Nina's biography, and thinks it would be 'interesting' to pair his music with classical musicians.
29th - 2nd: Luca records his project with Johnny in the studio. It's not rock'n'roll.
30th: A second visit in a week to the doctor, for 'some other medication'. I try phoning the doctor, asking him not to prescribe any tranquillisers. Desperate for cash for drugs, Johnny proposes 'Bootlegging... Volume 2'. I decide for him that it's not the best career move.
February:
3rd: Johnny flies out to Paris after arranging to play some dates at the Gibus Club.
23rd: Johnny ends up at Stiv Bators's apartment after using up the hospitality of friends George and Octavio. In the studio, Johnny plays on what will become Stiv's last album, together with Dee Dee Ramone, Dr. & the Medics' Vom, the Godfathers' Chris Dolbymore, and Sigue Sigue Sputniks' Neal X.
Johnny calls to relate a sorry tale of a big bust-up there with Dee Dee Ramone: he'd accused Johnny of taking money, smashed Johnny's guitar, thrown bleach on his clothes and pulled a knife. Forlornly Johnny asks us to use the story to get publicity in the music press; as it portays the kind of junkie loser image we want him to lose, we decline.
March:
13th: Johnny moves out of his friends flats into a Paris hotel.
19th: Johnny is completely broke. He's now at another number in Paris, and has booked two gigs at the Gibus Club for next month. Can we send him some money?
April:
4th: At last, the French film 'Mona Et Moi' that Patrick Grandperret has worked on with Johnny over six years, opens at the Odeon cinema, Paris.
7th & 8th: The Gibus Club shows pay the rent and overheads yet again.
25th: Arriving in the UK in transit to Ireland for a few dates, Johnny gets held up by immigration. It seems he'll be too late to do the first Dublin date, which was to be televised. But in 2006 we find out he wasn't too late - the televised interview, together with a live performance, is posted on Youtube.
26th: The acoustic tour continues at Belfast, followed by Waterford and Dublin.
May:
1st: The acoustic tour moves to the UK at Glasgow, followed by Leeds, Doncaster, Wakefield, Grantham, and Stevenage, but Johnny is not well- he's now been on a bender for six months, adding tranqullisers to his drug cocktail, and it shows.
11th - 13th: Three dates in Greece, in Athens and Salonika.
16th: Back in the UK as some Italian dates fall through.
21st: Off to Germany for the acoustic tour: Munich, Frankfurt, Dortmund, Krefeld, Hamburg, Berlin, then to Brussells. By now he's healthy again, the work keeping him busy and fit.
30th & 31st: Two nights at the London Marquee, teamed up with his band. On the 31st, Johnny, Stevie and Jamie go to B.S.B. studios to performing 'Lydia' and 'Nine Lives' for 'The Power Station' TV show. The film is lost when the studio closes when they merge with Sky.
June:
1st: We meet with Johnny and some of the band at the Columbia Hotel, and talk about the possibility of recording a new studio album. Wary of the 'Copy Cats' financial scenario, we try and budget it. With six musicians to fly around from various countries, their fees and Johnny's large fee, a cheap studio is proposed to compensate - not the most enticing idea. We decide to think about it, and although Johnny is now alert, clear and lucid, we want to see if he can stay that way.
2nd: Johnny flies PAN-AM to the USA. On the way to the airport, we talk about the numerous releases that he wasn't getting royalties from, and agree that I should research for outstanding money from other labels and publishers, and if possible collect it on his behalf.
15th: Asbury Park, Fast Lane gig.
22nd: A friend of Jamie's, Amy Koster, is working at a management company and helps get Johnny some US gigs.
July:
For the first time in very many years, Johnny the wandering gypsy gets himself an apartment, in New York. 'New York is very dangerous to my health', so we wonder how he'll get on.
September:
Johnny checks himself into a health-farm! At last he's got the will to stop taking drugs. An advance fortuitously got for re-selling the 1984 live Lyceum album this time is spent wisely. He spends some six weeks there, getting completely clean, coming out not needing his methadone, for the first time in probably sixteen years. He's almost a changed man, calm, quiet and thoughtful, without the constant feeling of stress, panic and paranoia that the chemical dependency had previously induced.
The ROIR cassettes 'Stations Of The Cross' and 'Too Much Junkie Business' get released on CD in Europe by Danceteria.
October:
Johnny moves flat to avoid the junkies who'd found out where he was living.
December:
20th: Arriving at Heathrow with Jamie in the morning, a rehearsal is booked for later that day. For the first time, no appointment with the doctor for a methadone prescription is necessary! It is wonderful to see him straight. It's actually quite strange to talk to him without his drug barrier; no edginess or weird aloofness, he's just a relaxed regular guy!
21st: London Marquee date with the band. Johnny is enjoying himself, getting drunk and partying. No time to talk, they're off to Switzerland.
23rd: Gig at Fribourg, Fri-son club.
26th - 30th: Johnny and Jamie play five nights at the Gibus club in Paris.
January:
4th: Final £1,000 of the advance is sent to Johnny's sister Marianne.
17th: A gig at the English Acid club in Los Angeles. Johnny is staying with various friends in L.A. and running out of money again, he asks me to try and collect some from New Rose, ABC Records and Virgin Publishing.
24th: Johnny arrives on TWA at London's Heathrow, for a visit to his doctor.
26th: Johnny meets with Luca, an Italian who's intrigued by Nina's biography, and thinks it would be 'interesting' to pair his music with classical musicians.
29th - 2nd: Luca records his project with Johnny in the studio. It's not rock'n'roll.
30th: A second visit in a week to the doctor, for 'some other medication'. I try phoning the doctor, asking him not to prescribe any tranquillisers. Desperate for cash for drugs, Johnny proposes 'Bootlegging... Volume 2'. I decide for him that it's not the best career move.
February:
3rd: Johnny flies out to Paris after arranging to play some dates at the Gibus Club.
23rd: Johnny ends up at Stiv Bators's apartment after using up the hospitality of friends George and Octavio. In the studio, Johnny plays on what will become Stiv's last album, together with Dee Dee Ramone, Dr. & the Medics' Vom, the Godfathers' Chris Dolbymore, and Sigue Sigue Sputniks' Neal X.
Johnny calls to relate a sorry tale of a big bust-up there with Dee Dee Ramone: he'd accused Johnny of taking money, smashed Johnny's guitar, thrown bleach on his clothes and pulled a knife. Forlornly Johnny asks us to use the story to get publicity in the music press; as it portays the kind of junkie loser image we want him to lose, we decline.
March:
13th: Johnny moves out of his friends flats into a Paris hotel.
19th: Johnny is completely broke. He's now at another number in Paris, and has booked two gigs at the Gibus Club for next month. Can we send him some money?
April:
4th: At last, the French film 'Mona Et Moi' that Patrick Grandperret has worked on with Johnny over six years, opens at the Odeon cinema, Paris.
7th & 8th: The Gibus Club shows pay the rent and overheads yet again.
25th: Arriving in the UK in transit to Ireland for a few dates, Johnny gets held up by immigration. It seems he'll be too late to do the first Dublin date, which was to be televised. But in 2006 we find out he wasn't too late - the televised interview, together with a live performance, is posted on Youtube.
26th: The acoustic tour continues at Belfast, followed by Waterford and Dublin.
May:
1st: The acoustic tour moves to the UK at Glasgow, followed by Leeds, Doncaster, Wakefield, Grantham, and Stevenage, but Johnny is not well- he's now been on a bender for six months, adding tranqullisers to his drug cocktail, and it shows.
11th - 13th: Three dates in Greece, in Athens and Salonika.
16th: Back in the UK as some Italian dates fall through.
21st: Off to Germany for the acoustic tour: Munich, Frankfurt, Dortmund, Krefeld, Hamburg, Berlin, then to Brussells. By now he's healthy again, the work keeping him busy and fit.
30th & 31st: Two nights at the London Marquee, teamed up with his band. On the 31st, Johnny, Stevie and Jamie go to B.S.B. studios to performing 'Lydia' and 'Nine Lives' for 'The Power Station' TV show. The film is lost when the studio closes when they merge with Sky.
June:
1st: We meet with Johnny and some of the band at the Columbia Hotel, and talk about the possibility of recording a new studio album. Wary of the 'Copy Cats' financial scenario, we try and budget it. With six musicians to fly around from various countries, their fees and Johnny's large fee, a cheap studio is proposed to compensate - not the most enticing idea. We decide to think about it, and although Johnny is now alert, clear and lucid, we want to see if he can stay that way.
2nd: Johnny flies PAN-AM to the USA. On the way to the airport, we talk about the numerous releases that he wasn't getting royalties from, and agree that I should research for outstanding money from other labels and publishers, and if possible collect it on his behalf.
15th: Asbury Park, Fast Lane gig.
22nd: A friend of Jamie's, Amy Koster, is working at a management company and helps get Johnny some US gigs.
July:
For the first time in very many years, Johnny the wandering gypsy gets himself an apartment, in New York. 'New York is very dangerous to my health', so we wonder how he'll get on.
September:
Johnny checks himself into a health-farm! At last he's got the will to stop taking drugs. An advance fortuitously got for re-selling the 1984 live Lyceum album this time is spent wisely. He spends some six weeks there, getting completely clean, coming out not needing his methadone, for the first time in probably sixteen years. He's almost a changed man, calm, quiet and thoughtful, without the constant feeling of stress, panic and paranoia that the chemical dependency had previously induced.
The ROIR cassettes 'Stations Of The Cross' and 'Too Much Junkie Business' get released on CD in Europe by Danceteria.
October:
Johnny moves flat to avoid the junkies who'd found out where he was living.
December:
20th: Arriving at Heathrow with Jamie in the morning, a rehearsal is booked for later that day. For the first time, no appointment with the doctor for a methadone prescription is necessary! It is wonderful to see him straight. It's actually quite strange to talk to him without his drug barrier; no edginess or weird aloofness, he's just a relaxed regular guy!
21st: London Marquee date with the band. Johnny is enjoying himself, getting drunk and partying. No time to talk, they're off to Switzerland.
23rd: Gig at Fribourg, Fri-son club.
26th - 30th: Johnny and Jamie play five nights at the Gibus club in Paris.
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Memories and a live recording of Thunders in Stevenage 1990, can be found on my blog.
http://nuzzprowlinwolf.blogspot.com/
go johnny go
1990 chronologi is missing 2 Toronto Canada shows at the Apocalypse Club some time in the summer. It was Thunders and Heath. Anyone know the exact dates so this can be updated?
I don't remember 2 shows, but I remember one. It was at the Apocalypse Club in June '90. Johnny wore pink. I know it was June because I took photos and later lost my camera with that roll of film in it.
This site says it was July 6 and 7. I could have sworn it was June, but it's been a while.
http://pabloinsua.tripod.com/thunders.htm
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Johnny played a gig August 3,1990 at the Red Spot in Staten Island. I was there.
I was at the Berlin show in May(JT on acoustic guitar, accompanied by a saxophone player, I don't recall the name). I f you were there, or if there is a recording I will share with you why there is a long sax improvisation part way through... Somewhere I still have a clipping of the listing for the show from a local paper- a headshot of Johnny with a short write up. I don't read German, but seeing his face with a date, I figured he was playing in town! Never had a chance to see JT before but loved the sound of NYDolls and Heartbreakers! I was 22, hitchicking solo in Europe and I decided I to try and score an interview with JT and his band for a local cultural paper (Rearguard) back in my hometown of Montreal, Canada - I'm no reporter but I am genuinely curious and inquisitive, though not "fanboy" to anyone. Travelling alone with no set agenda, I figured I had nothing to lose in trying. I showed up at the club in the early afternoon(I figured sound check at 5pm), knocked on the door and... someone opened! I told them what I was there for and the person led me upstairs to the venue. They told me to wait around and Johnny would get there later... Much much later (I must have met all the few staff, the person prepping the bar offered me a coffee or water an hour or two after sitting at the counter by myself, probably drawing in my notebook). Suddenly, a back door opens, a small guy with a floppy cap(a beret?) walks across the floor... and a gaggle of people pop out, following him 15-20ft behind. He turns around and is surrounded by these folks and they all keep walking back where they came from... I'm puzzed by what just happened, I ask the bar person who's that? You can guess the answer. By now they've all vanished I don't know where, and I have no idea how one would get to ask questions while a bunch of people(I assumed professional journalists doing there job for a paycheck) are all vying for his attention. I'm deterred but I figured, what the hell, I'm here, I can probably stay and see the show for free, too bad for my interview. But when you try your luck... chances are you might get something you didn't expect: I saw three guys with instruments coming in... I don't remember how I introduced myself to the members of the Austrian band HP Zinker, the opening band, but I offered to do an interview with them for Rearguard newspaper in Montreal and they accepted, inviting me backstage to their very small dressing room, at the end of a small corridor just past the green room area which was located stage right. We chatted, I took some notes. It was now late enough - soon time for them to hit the stage! We left the backstage and walked to the "green room" which now had a catering table filled with food and drinks. The band members told me to help myself as they grabbed bread and cold cuts. I grabbed a little cheese and crackers a beer or two, but didn't feel it was cool for me to eat supper (heck, lunch & supper) off their catering.
So I left the green room and went front stage to experience the punk rock trio HP Zinker... one of probably 5 or 10 people listening to their set. Another 30 or so chatting back at the bar where I stood hours ago. Their set ends, I go back stage to share my excitement at seeing them - they were tight!. They grab beers from the catering table, they offer, I help myself and have another little bite. We chat, then decide to go check out the crowd(the loudness of the chatter seems like it's pretty packed by now) and catch johnny. Indeed there is a good turn out - maybe not sold out because by Berlin fire safety standards, I think as long as you can get from A to B without having to push people out of your way it's not overcrowded! Anyway, by now I've had 6 beers of so, maybe some shots to celebrate HP Zinker set, no real meal for the last many several hours(9 hours?), Johnny Thunders hits the stage (was there a sound check I don't recall?)... and it's without an electric guitar, without a band, except for a sax player... I'm a little underwhelmed. I like the saxophone, Johnny's acoustic guitar leaves room for his voice. That's not what I expected but it's good. I'm enjoying the sounds - Joey joey joey, as tears go by... but the PA sounds way too boomy for acoustic instruments(like kill the sub please!). It is bizarre and irritating. What could be a really cool, intimate sounding show, is blasted louder then the punk rock of the opening band. Acoustic guitar ringing and on the border of feedback.. not my idea of "fierce".(at that time I worked a bit as a FOH sound technicien for jazzish group, poets and recording 4track demo with my punk rock band, so I believed someone more experienced than me could make it sound better than this - decades of professional experience later, I now know that many experience sound tech do a terrible job!). Feeling SO disappointed by sound, and probably fazed from lack of food I made my way back stage and decided I would make myself a sandwich from catered food.
And I now recall, as Johnny was being marched back to the stage by the tour manager, him pointing at me and saying "He was mean to me..." in a whiny tone... Again, leaving me befuddled - like: guitar-slinging rockstar = schoolboy??! Anyway...That's when I knew I had overstayed my welcome backstage. Or the stage manager must have told me to get out.
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